I watched a couple of episodes of the original series when I was kid (and revisited the first few as an adult, as well), but it never stuck with the me or held any of the nostalgia that other TV shows have. I didn't have any investment in Dirk Benedict's portrayal of the womanizing, heroic Starbuck or the daggits (robotic dogs) that appealed to kids of the 70s. So, I came to the experience of the new BSG with relatively fresh eyes and a deep and abiding love for good television.
But that, of course, was in 2004.
Now, I'm totally invested, completely biased, and sad that the show is no longer on. That said, watching the series premiere for the 4th or 5th time, I still find see new things and focus on different aspects of the show than I did when i was first trying to figure out who was who (and exceedingly difficult task given the number of names everyone seems to have).
When BSG first premiered, I was impressed with the way it took on topics directly realted to what was going on in 'the real world' at the time. Without spoiling anything, BSG was the first show that I can think of that asked thought-provoking questions about the nature of war, whether a person is a terrorist or a patriot, when and if suicide bombing is an appropriate method of resistance, and whether torture is ever justified. In this first episode, those questions are only beginning to be set up but I could absolutely see them coming.
But, I think that's what I've always appreciated about science fiction as a genre. At its root, scifi both philosophical and political. Because it makes no claims to realism, it is free to grapple with issues that might be considered too controversial or sensitive for other types of media--fiction or documentary. Star Trek: The Next Generation dipped its toes into moral and ethical quandaries on a weekly basis (usually through the use of Data) and explored fundamental philosophical dilemmas in ways that never simplified the complexities of the issue. After all, how many shows can you name that even try to discuss what it means to be human?
But, that brings up an interesting question about BSG: Is it science fiction?
Certainly, it's set in space and that makes it appear to be part of the genre. But, it also eschews many of the other trappings normally associated with scifi. In fact, the technology that we see is, for the most part, less sophisticated than what most of us use on a day-to-day basis. Computers aren't networked. Gaeda maps the jump coordinates by hand--with a protractor and a triangle, if I saw correctly. They keep track of flight on what is basically a white board. They use intercoms. Where are the ray guns? And transporters? And, everyone is human, or at least looks that way. Sure, we get some shiny robots here and there, but where are the aliens?
For me, BSG focuses on decidedly human issues and in remarkably familiar ways. The heroes are flawed. The decisions are hard. People make mistakes. In the end, I identify more with these characters than most of the others I see on TV. Labeling it scifi seems easy, but I wonder if it does it an injustice?
What did you all think of the series premiere?
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ReplyDeleteI just wanted to comment on Battlestar Galactica. I'm not sure what exactly we are to comment on, but one thing that I found interesting was in the dialogue between the characters. In addressing each other, they always used 'sir' even when speaking to females (even the lady who assumed the role of the president). I found that odd.
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Nick...I moved your comment to the comment section of my post, since it is not a blog post of its own.
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ReplyDeleteI really like BSG thus far! I think that it definitely speaks to our generation. I think it is weird that they address women as "sir." I feel like women who are in the military are already portrayed as super masculine so to see it here just reinforces those stereotypes. I know this may sound weird but I am in a Greek Mythology class as well, and I see a lot of parallels to this show and Greek Mythology, I just need to think about it a bit more before spilling my guts here... anyways.. I never have seen this show so I am coming in with fresh eyes and I don't know if I consider this show Science Fiction or not. It is set in the future, It does involve other planets, the technology is advanced, but this is a time period where humans have over stepped their bounds with technology to the point of creating another life. I think that this show is science fiction only backwards because BSG forces humans to not rely on all the advance technology and go back to their roots. Plus the other planet stuff. Any story about life on another planet has to fall into science fiction...
I didn't know what to think about BSG from my first viewings. Found the plot to be relevant to today's society and also interesting. The threat of terrorism and the miracle of artificial intelligence. I thought some parts of BSG were humorous and believed they didn't fit in with the catastrophic loss of human life. Overall I liked what i saw of BSG, but I"m still not a fan.
ReplyDeleteI would hesitate to classify BSG as a Sci Fi show, even though it aired on the ScyFy network and had the typical characteristics of the scifi genre. I believe even though BSG had humans battling robots, and flying around in space ships, it was ultimately a story about people. I would classify it as a character drama, set against the backdrop of a scifi world
ReplyDeleteWhen I first heard we were watching BSG, the first thing I thought was "science fiction". I thought there would be goofy-looking people with who-knows-what on their faces, much like Star Trek. Even though the messed-up faces didn't come true, I still think it is absolutely science fiction. Thousands of people are living on crafts in space, fighting a cyborg species gone haywire. In reality, I think the most people that have ever been in space at one time is in the teens, and we've never had to stave off a massive cyborg attack...Definitey scifi
ReplyDeleteEven though the shows setting is in space and deals with things such as space fighting and non-human beings; I believe the show is a reflection of human behavior, specifically what was going on at the time the show first aired. I think what Dalyn said after the first day was true. There are definitely parallels between their space war and what was going on in 2004. Though we only saw the first parts of season 1, I am interested to see what else the show reflected.
ReplyDeleteWhen we were told that we would spend the first two days of class watching BSG, I was not very excited. I am not a big fan of scifi television or movies because they seem to take over the top situations and apply a very cliche plot line. However, I was surprised to find myself actually enjoying BSG! I liked that the characters were real and relatable. The setting and basis of the conflict still makes it a scifi in my opinion, but I liked that the technology was simple and made sense to me. I found myself actually caring about the characters and wanting to know what would happen in their stories. I wish that there was a greater variety of female characters, and I really didn't like the female cylon robot girl's character. However, I think that for a series premier BSG does a great job of peaking the interest of viewers that are not a typical scifi audience.
ReplyDeleteWhen I think "sci-fi", I think bizarre characters, surreal settings, outlandish events. That was not so with BSG. The characters were human(albeit machines made by human), the events were intense (nuclear explosions, warfare) but not novel. On a bit of a sidenote, the aspect of the movie dealing with the dangers of "playing god" is an issue that is relevant to society today (as well as in 2004), e.g. cloning and stem-cell research.
ReplyDeleteThe only aspect that was congruent with that of other sci-fi works was the setting, space.
If the setting of BSG were to change, I don't believe there would be any debate as to which genre it should fall into,drama/action. It seems as though the only factor that dictates BSG being deemed "sci-fi" is its space setting.
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ReplyDeleteTo me, when a certain media is classified as "sci-fi," it should have a science-based, imaginary setting with conflicts over things that don't even exist in real life. Even with this fictional setting, a "sci-fi" story can still be a reflection on humanity. Adapting current events and classic human conflicts to a different setting is not uncommon in popular culture and I don't think it is a reason that BSG is not sci-fi.
ReplyDeleteI also found it very interesting that the cylons could exist in a human body, making it difficult to tell the difference between humans in aliens. There was pretty much no way to prove someone was human, which is interesting because it is raising the question of what it means to be a human being. I would have been interested to see how they answered that.
I grew up watching Star Trek, so when I heard that we would be watching BSG our first few days of class I was a little stoked. I would like to point out first that the role of the female president was interesting in BSG. She was addressed as "sir" quite a few times, yet at other times she was addressed as "madam President." I was trying to figure out when exactly this was happening, and thought that it was only when high ranking officers were addressing her that she was referred to as "sir" but I do believe in the last scene we watched the captain called her "madam President." I also thought it was interesting that she was the secretary of education and that was used as an insult in the "she's a school teacher" comment from the captain when the fleet wanted to go on a rescue mission rather than to go with the battle plan with the Galatica. As I said before, I've been watching SciFi since I was a child, but I do believe that it is only the setting that makes it science fiction. I think we consider BSG science fiction only because we cannot fathom the creation of another race through computer technology. The plot line, conflicts and emotions brought forth from the show are relevant and plausible in today's society.
ReplyDeleteAmong people who study fiction, stories that are plot driven and rigidly adhere to the conventions of a single genre are "genre fiction." Stories that are character- and philosophy-driven that use conventional aspects of one or more genres to highlight the characters and the philosophy are "high concept." BSG, Buffy the Vampire Slayer (which also explores what it means to be human, to have a soul, whether suicide is appropriate when battling an enemy, whether torture is ever justified), and a lot of what Stephen King writes (though not all) are examples of fiction that I would call high concept.
ReplyDeleteIf I remember correctly, the ship they are on was about to be decomissioned because it was super old and couldn't be retrofitted with current technology. BSG was sort of *almost* sci fi because prior to the simultaneous destruction of the inhabited planets, there was much more advanced technology. The ship they are on is now only advanced by default, since it's the only technology left. I would argue that if you had to assign a genre to the show it would probably be dystopian - a technological dark time after the destruction of an advanced civilization is a trope of that genre.
I had never seen BSG before we started watching it in class, so i had the preconceived notion that this was going to be another geeky scifi tv series to which i normally have no interest in. However, after we began watching it, i realized that it wasn't as bad as it thought it was going to be. It wasn't outlandishly scifi. It contained many moral dilemmas that we commonly see in todays society. There are personal and political conflicts constantly arise, and due to the nature of their situation, the characters must make important and timely decisions. BSG presents situations which we commonly see today such as love, deceit, comradery, power, sorrow, regret, and war. We can all relate to these things in some way or another, and I dont consider it to be as stereotypically scifi as I once thought it to be. It simply takes place in space. The situations that the show presents to us are for the most part related to our everyday society.
ReplyDeleteWhat I noticed most about BSG was how it seemed to draw a lot of its themes from the discourse around the time it was produced. The robots preemptive war reminded me not just of terrorism in the modern age-specifically 9-11, but also of the preemptive Iraq war that was launched just a year before the series began. There's also the 'sleeper cell' storyline reminiscent of the wariness and distrust of the 'other'-fears and presumptions that seem validated in the first few episodes. It seems like the BSG universe is the ideal and binary world that some people make ours out to be, the good guys v bad guys, science and 'equal' society v religious extremism. Maybe the rest of the series makes work of this essentialism, but it seems that its just reinforcing all the bad feelings of a bad decade.
ReplyDeleteI was fairly impressed with the show BSG and liked how it related to pertinent matters we as a society face today, all the while maintaining an aura of obscurity through its sci-fi lens. I would classify the show as being science fiction strung with real world drama and issues. The creative imagined worlds, spaceships, and technologies are all something you would expect of a science fiction work, while the down-to-earth character dialogue made the actors more relatable. Although the created life in BSG is far more advanced than a few living cells in a Petri dish that we as humans are able to construct today, it allowed me as a viewer to connect with the show by making me ask the question “What if”. I also found it interesting that Commander Adama mentioned earth in his dialogue as being the 13th colony, bringing our plane of existence into reference with the one in the show.
ReplyDeleteCaprica, Cylon, and Frakking Earth...
ReplyDeleteAlthough I am not usually the greatest fan of Sci-Fi movies or television shows, I found myself enjoying BSG. While I thought it to be confusing at first, just as I normally do with the strange languages, galaxies, and spacecraft technologies, by the end of the series premiere I wanted to know what would happen next. I was intrigued by the relationships between the characters, the male vs. female roles, and the mystery that Number 6 brought with her random appearances. However, I really disliked the set up of of where they were heading to next, "The legend of the lost 13th tribe: Earth". This brought me back to why I normally dislike sci-fi's. I saw this idea and the way they talked about "earth" to be too far fetched and overly cheesy. Having said that, I don't see myself continuing watching BSG, but, it was a pleasantly surprising view of a sci-fi series.